Re: Sprint PCS or Cingular/GSM?

Bob Lambeau wrote:
> yes it is
> Evil Empire follows:
>
> Cingular is actually SBC if you read the fine print, and I am loath to give
> them any money
> When it was Ameritech, we WERE held hostage at my mom's house with shity
> phone service. It was so bad (pre cell phone era) that we had to walk a
> half a mile (in rain and snow) to call somebody, if it was a medical
> emergency we of course ran. I promised the rep from Ameritech If I could
> I would leave and never come back, he didn't seem to care.
> Later the lines were opened to competition we left.
> Years later(now SBC) they called at my new house and asked if I wanted to
> reconnect. I said no the service I have now is fine and cheap.
> They kept calling and calling(to the point of being a nusance call).
> Finally the "do not call list" started.
> They still called!
> so I filed a complaint with the state and I haven't been bothered by SBC
> since.
> my dilema now is Cingular has gsm service in America, I can buy and unlock
> a phone to use it in Europe, but if I do business with Cingular does
> that open me up to really high pressure land line salesman, or have they
> given that up?
> Sprint has anolog as it's fall back fo those remote areas in my state
> I'm leaning on keeping the Sprint acount and getting a unlocked pre-pay
> gsm sim card phone as a backup phone for the wife to use if she needs it
> just my 2 cents
>
>
>>Aravind
>
>

Don't judge SBC by what Ameritech did. What a piece of trash Ameritech
was. I don't live in the area, but I do know that when Ameritech joined
the SBC family they caused major hell. Fines and all kinds of crap to
deal with.
As Mr Navas said, Cingular is a joint venture between Bell South and
SBC. I don't remember the split exactly, you can look that up for
yourself. You WILL not receive phone calls pressuring you to switch to
SBC landline as a result of being a Cingular customer. You may at some
point, be offered a better price for being a customer of both services,
but never a target for sales calls.

In article <GpudnTLvYKF2hurcRVn-tQ@giganews.com>,
cambie <none@provided.com> wrote:

> As Mr Navas said, Cingular is a joint venture between Bell South and
> SBC. I don't remember the split exactly, you can look that up for
> yourself. You WILL not receive phone calls pressuring you to switch to
> SBC landline as a result of being a Cingular customer. You may at some
> point, be offered a better price for being a customer of both services,
> but never a target for sales calls.

SBC offers a discount on Cingular service, but its a discount from
inflated prices so the end result is the same price one gets walking
cold into a Cingular store. Deceptive Trade Practice is the name for
that. Very similar to Hertz discounts.

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In <jzwick3-4DD7F2.07355821102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
2004 12:36:34 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>SBC offers a discount on Cingular service, but its a discount from
>inflated prices so the end result is the same price one gets walking
>cold into a Cingular store. Deceptive Trade Practice is the name for
>that. Very similar to Hertz discounts.

Anything to back that claim up?

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <KsQdd.310$_3.6150@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:


>
> In <jzwick> on Thu, 21 Oct
> 2004 12:36:34 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >SBC offers a discount on Cingular service, but its a discount from
> >inflated prices so the end result is the same price one gets walking
> >cold into a Cingular store. Deceptive Trade Practice is the name for
> >that. Very similar to Hertz discounts.
>
> Anything to back that claim up?

They've changed it, so I understand your confusion, now the rate plans
are the same, but the phones are more expensive for SBC customers.
i.e. Motorola v400 - $99.99 for SBC customers ;
$59.99 for off the street Cingular Customers.

Just go to sbc.com and cingular.com and compare for yourself.

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In <jzwick3-A3D507.11015221102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
2004 16:02:28 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <KsQdd.310$_3.6150@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> In <jzwick> on Thu, 21 Oct
>> 2004 12:36:34 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >SBC offers a discount on Cingular service, but its a discount from
>> >inflated prices so the end result is the same price one gets walking
>> >cold into a Cingular store. Deceptive Trade Practice is the name for
>> >that. Very similar to Hertz discounts.
>>
>> Anything to back that claim up?
>
>They've changed it, so I understand your confusion, now the rate plans
>are the same, but the phones are more expensive for SBC customers.
>i.e. Motorola v400 - $99.99 for SBC customers ;
> $59.99 for off the street Cingular Customers.
>
>Just go to sbc.com and cingular.com and compare for yourself.

That doesn't back up the claim of "Deceptive Trade Practice". SBC does
discount rate plans -- the end result is not the same -- and while the SBC
handset price is higher than the Cingular promotional price on one particular
handset (V400), it's the same on other handsets (e.g., C1300), and lower on
one before rebate (T637).

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <4ZSdd.351$_3.6378@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <jzwick3-A3D507.11015221102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
> 2004 16:02:28 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <KsQdd.310$_3.6150@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In <jzwick> on Thu, 21 Oct
> >> 2004 12:36:34 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >SBC offers a discount on Cingular service, but its a discount from
> >> >inflated prices so the end result is the same price one gets walking
> >> >cold into a Cingular store. Deceptive Trade Practice is the name for
> >> >that. Very similar to Hertz discounts.
> >>
> >> Anything to back that claim up?
> >
> >They've changed it, so I understand your confusion, now the rate plans
> >are the same, but the phones are more expensive for SBC customers.
> >i.e. Motorola v400 - $99.99 for SBC customers ;
> > $59.99 for off the street Cingular Customers.
> >
> >Just go to sbc.com and cingular.com and compare for yourself.
>
> That doesn't back up the claim of "Deceptive Trade Practice". SBC does
> discount rate plans -- the end result is not the same -- and while the SBC
> handset price is higher than the Cingular promotional price on one particular
> handset (V400), it's the same on other handsets (e.g., C1300), and lower on
> one before rebate (T637).

How come you suddenly found time to look at the web sites ?

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In <jzwick3-477758.13193721102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
2004 18:19:30 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>How come you suddenly found time to look at the web sites ?

How come you suddenly found time to be annoying?

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <JOTdd.355$_3.6312@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>
> >How come you suddenly found time to look at the web sites ?
>
> How come you suddenly found time to be annoying?

Sorry you find my reporting SBC's duplicity annoying, but we all know
how you incorrectly think Cingular is perfect.

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In <jzwick3-E07076.15510421102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
2004 20:50:55 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <JOTdd.355$_3.6312@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >How come you suddenly found time to look at the web sites ?
>>
>> How come you suddenly found time to be annoying?
>
>Sorry you find my reporting SBC's duplicity annoying,

You've failed to show any duplicity.

>but we all know
>how you incorrectly think Cingular is perfect.

No carrier is perfect, but that's a long way from your libelous "Deceptive
Trade Practice" and "duplicity".

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <yPXdd.413$_3.6626@typhoon.sonic.net>,
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <jzwick3-E07076.15510421102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Thu, 21 Oct
> 2004 20:50:55 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <JOTdd.355$_3.6312@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >How come you suddenly found time to look at the web sites ?
> >>
> >> How come you suddenly found time to be annoying?
> >
> >Sorry you find my reporting SBC's duplicity annoying,
>
> You've failed to show any duplicity.

Two different pricing isn't duplicity?

We already established one set of pricing for SBC customers and
lower prices for walkin Cingular customers.

Only a Cingular shill would fail to see it.

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In <jzwick3-0F6A9F.22313221102004@news1.west.earthlink.net> on Fri, 22 Oct
2004 03:32:06 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <yPXdd.413$_3.6626@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

>> You've failed to show any duplicity.
>
>Two different pricing isn't duplicity?

Not even when set by the same entity. Just like many other entities, Cingular
has different on-line and walk-in prices. That isn't "duplicity" either.

>We already established one set of pricing for SBC customers and
>lower prices for walkin Cingular customers.

Sometimes lower, but sometimes higher, and usually the same, as I pointed out
previously. Regardless, SBC and Cingular are two different entities, and
different entities are likewise free to set different prices.

>Only a Cingular shill would fail to see it.

Only an SBC antagonist would make such a claim, and only a weak case would
need to stoop to a personal attack.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>