BT PAN info?

Some smart hacker has given us BT PAN for our Nokia N800/810 Linux tablets
under Maemo Chinook (OS2008). Of course, my BT MotoROKR Z6m only supports
DUN, OPP, FTP so it's useless to try to use to the net.

The Moto Q has PAN, or is supposed do, so I tried to connect it to the BT
PAN network of my buddy's Q to see how data flowed over it. We tried for
nearly an hour but never got anything more than basic BT pairing between
the devices.

Does anyone have any PAN URLs that show what PAN will do for me? Whatever
I find is what I call "Sellular Vague", as if it's some kind of big secret.

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:lcydnZlCscsqZ7nVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com :

> If the Moto Q that you are talking about is from Verizion it probably
> doesn't have BT PAN. Verizon disabled the BT PAN on their HTC 6800
> and their HTC 6900 and I wouldn't put it past them to disable it on
> the Moto Q either.

No, this was from Alltel where they don't cripple the phones that I know
of. It had PAN information on the Q, but we couldn't make it work.
>
> Sprint on the other hand lets their users have BT PAN on their WM6
> phones but I've never seen the BT PAN work unless the user has "Phone
> as Modem" on their plan.
>
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>
>
Thanks for your help. That may have been his problem. I don't think he
has it tethered to anything. Now that I look back it wouldn't DUN tether
to the tablet, either...

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A99CC8165D8Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Some smart hacker has given us BT PAN for our Nokia N800/810 Linux tablets
> under Maemo Chinook (OS2008). Of course, my BT MotoROKR Z6m only supports
> DUN, OPP, FTP so it's useless to try to use to the net.
>
> The Moto Q has PAN, or is supposed do, so I tried to connect it to the BT
> PAN network of my buddy's Q to see how data flowed over it. We tried for
> nearly an hour but never got anything more than basic BT pairing between
> the devices.
>
> Does anyone have any PAN URLs that show what PAN will do for me? Whatever
> I find is what I call "Sellular Vague", as if it's some kind of big
secret.
>

If the Moto Q that you are talking about is from Verizion it probably
doesn't have BT PAN. Verizon disabled the BT PAN on their HTC 6800 and
their HTC 6900 and I wouldn't put it past them to disable it on the Moto Q
either.

Sprint on the other hand lets their users have BT PAN on their WM6 phones
but I've never seen the BT PAN work unless the user has "Phone as Modem" on
their plan.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A99E52D9B4E7noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
> news:lcydnZlCscsqZ7nVnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@giganews.com :
>
> > If the Moto Q that you are talking about is from Verizion it probably
> > doesn't have BT PAN. Verizon disabled the BT PAN on their HTC 6800
> > and their HTC 6900 and I wouldn't put it past them to disable it on
> > the Moto Q either.
>
> No, this was from Alltel where they don't cripple the phones that I know
> of. It had PAN information on the Q, but we couldn't make it work.

On a WM6 device to get BT PAN to work you *have* to run a program called
"Internet Sharing."

Once you run "Internet Sharing" you have to

1. Select the "PC Connection" which would be "Bluetooth PAN" in the above
case.

2. Select the "Network Connection." On Sprint you have the options "Sprint
PCS" or "Phone as Modem." If you use "Sprint PCS" then you will probably be
able to get to the internet with your phone at the same time you are sharing
the internet via "Bluetooth PAN."

3 Tap "Connect" on the lower left side of the screen. After that you
should see a message that says something like: "Device setup finished. On
the PC, connect Pluetooth PAN."

I've seen one WM6 PPC/Phone where you get to "Internet Sharing" from the
Comm Manager.


> >
> > Sprint on the other hand lets their users have BT PAN on their WM6
> > phones but I've never seen the BT PAN work unless the user has "Phone
> > as Modem" on their plan.
> >
> > Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> >
> >
> Thanks for your help. That may have been his problem. I don't think he
> has it tethered to anything. Now that I look back it wouldn't DUN tether
> to the tablet, either...

When you "paired" the two devices did "Dialup Networking" show up as
available? If it did then there is one more thing you could try. On a WM5
device I have to connect to the internet manually before the BT DUN will
work.

But if I use a USB cable for DUN I have to connect to the internet first and
run a program called "Modem Link" before that USB connection will work.

One more thing about BT PAN on a WM6 device. If you break the connection
for some reason, you have to tap "Connect" again on "Internet Sharing" to
restart it on that side.

With BT DUN you can forget about your phone and just leave it in your
pocket. I prefer BT DUN over BT PAN but when you use BT DUN you can *not*
have the internet in two places at the same time like you can with "BT PAN."

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:yNCdnX-9UvUn4LjVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> When you "paired" the two devices did "Dialup Networking" show up as
> available? If it did then there is one more thing you could try. On
> a WM5 device I have to connect to the internet manually before the BT
> DUN will work.
>
> But if I use a USB cable for DUN I have to connect to the internet
> first and run a program called "Modem Link" before that USB connection
> will work.
>
> One more thing about BT PAN on a WM6 device. If you break the
> connection for some reason, you have to tap "Connect" again on
> "Internet Sharing" to restart it on that side.
>
> With BT DUN you can forget about your phone and just leave it in your
> pocket. I prefer BT DUN over BT PAN but when you use BT DUN you can
> *not* have the internet in two places at the same time like you can
> with "BT PAN."
>
>

Yes. DUN showed up, but I don't think he has tethered data setup on his
account with Alltel so it wouldn't connect, either.

On my MotoROKR Z6m, I have DUN, OPP, FTP all setup to automatically give
the N800 tablet access to the various services, which it does very
nicely, but ONLY ONE AT A TIME. It is incapable, for instance, of
transferring a music file from the internal card on the phone to the
tablet's File Manager app over FTP while the phone is DUN tethered using
the phone as a modem. You must disconnect the DUN tether, first, then
the file manager has no trouble getting to any file stored anywhere on
the phone, even the system files. This is also true of headphones,
handsfree or A2DP. If the phone is connected to any headphone, you
cannot connect to it with any other BT device. I'm amazed it can handle
handsfree simultaneously with A2DP to my Motorola S9 stereo BT headset.
The phone is really dumb.

It's a BREW phone. It defaults to the manual access you're seeing but I
can go into BT then DEVICES and pick the tablet and EDIT to light up
automatic access for this device. From then on, DUN connects via BT on
its own, even before the tablet boots past the bootup splash screen with
two hands on it. By the time the tablet boots the GUI home screen,
[Alltel Connected] pops up instantly...already logged on and checking for
updates to installed software/setting the clock from NIST's server/etc.

Thanks for this information, you've been a lot of help. We'll play with
the Q, again, to see how well it works.

One more question on your WMx phone..... Can you use the internet on the
WMx phone while BT DUN is tethered to an external computer, or does it
only support the one connection, either the phone or the DUN device but
not both?

The phones need to be like the Nokia N8xx Linux tablets. The tablet will
simultaneously connect to DUN on the phone, the S9 handsfree, my Nokia BT
folding keyboard and Nokia BT GPS receiver...with no conflicts as long as
you keep the various BT devices separated from each other by about 5" to
keep this one's transmitter from SWAMPING that one's BT receiver, causing
packet crashes in the busy local BT band its all swarming in.

To simplify BT stereo to the S9, instead of multiple pairing and
unpairing it, a total nuisance you must do to prevent more than one BT
device from trying to connect to it at a time, I use a Sony TMR-BT10
Stereo BT transmitter (rechargeable-tiny) for all my stereo gadgets, bt
or not. I simply plug the Sony's miniplug into whatever stereo source I
want to hear in the S9. It works fantastic! The S9 A2DP is ONLY paired
with the little Sony transmitter so repairing is unnecessary. I have
many old MP3 players (Xclef 500 w/120GB drive, Archos Studio 20) and the
Sony lets me use them with the S9, too. S9 is a fantastic stereo
headset, NO MECHANICAL NOISES something that really pisses me off on some
really expensive headsets.

Again, thanks for your help....(c;

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A9A94B389C1Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
> news:yNCdnX-9UvUn4LjVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> > When you "paired" the two devices did "Dialup Networking" show up as
> > available? If it did then there is one more thing you could try. On
> > a WM5 device I have to connect to the internet manually before the BT
> > DUN will work.
> >
> > But if I use a USB cable for DUN I have to connect to the internet
> > first and run a program called "Modem Link" before that USB connection
> > will work.
> >
> > One more thing about BT PAN on a WM6 device. If you break the
> > connection for some reason, you have to tap "Connect" again on
> > "Internet Sharing" to restart it on that side.
> >
> > With BT DUN you can forget about your phone and just leave it in your
> > pocket. I prefer BT DUN over BT PAN but when you use BT DUN you can
> > *not* have the internet in two places at the same time like you can
> > with "BT PAN."
> >
> >
>
> Yes. DUN showed up, but I don't think he has tethered data setup on his
> account with Alltel so it wouldn't connect, either.
>
> On my MotoROKR Z6m, I have DUN, OPP, FTP all setup to automatically give
> the N800 tablet access to the various services, which it does very
> nicely, but ONLY ONE AT A TIME. It is incapable, for instance, of
> transferring a music file from the internal card on the phone to the
> tablet's File Manager app over FTP while the phone is DUN tethered using
> the phone as a modem. You must disconnect the DUN tether, first, then
> the file manager has no trouble getting to any file stored anywhere on
> the phone, even the system files. This is also true of headphones,
> handsfree or A2DP. If the phone is connected to any headphone, you
> cannot connect to it with any other BT device. I'm amazed it can handle
> handsfree simultaneously with A2DP to my Motorola S9 stereo BT headset.
> The phone is really dumb.

I have a Laptop that is both BT Stereo and BT Hands Free and it will only do
one at a time. Plus it needs a few seconds to make the change from BT
Stereo to BT Hands Free so I if a call comes in it has to be set to "Hands
Free" before the call comes in or it will not work.

I have a Sony DR-BT22 that is both Wireless Stereo and Hands Free. If I
split it, where I pair one device with the wireless Stereo and pair another
device to the Hands Free it seems to work OK. It will automatically shut
off the BT Stereo in favor of the BT Hands Free so it sounds a little like
your Motorola S9.


> It's a BREW phone. It defaults to the manual access you're seeing but I
> can go into BT then DEVICES and pick the tablet and EDIT to light up
> automatic access for this device. From then on, DUN connects via BT on
> its own, even before the tablet boots past the bootup splash screen with
> two hands on it. By the time the tablet boots the GUI home screen,
> [Alltel Connected] pops up instantly...already logged on and checking for
> updates to installed software/setting the clock from NIST's server/etc.
>
> Thanks for this information, you've been a lot of help. We'll play with
> the Q, again, to see how well it works.

If the Q has BT DUN I doubt if it has BT PAN also. While I have seen one
WM6 device with both it didn't come that way. :-)

If a WM6 PPC/Phone has BT PAN it can show up when pairing without running
any extra software. The BT PAN just won't work until you run "Internet
Sharing."


> One more question on your WMx phone..... Can you use the internet on the
> WMx phone while BT DUN is tethered to an external computer, or does it
> only support the one connection, either the phone or the DUN device but
> not both?

The USB DUN only does one at a time just like the BT DUN. BT DUN can be
setup to run automatically and I like that part of it.


> The phones need to be like the Nokia N8xx Linux tablets. The tablet will
> simultaneously connect to DUN on the phone, the S9 handsfree, my Nokia BT
> folding keyboard and Nokia BT GPS receiver...with no conflicts as long as
> you keep the various BT devices separated from each other by about 5" to
> keep this one's transmitter from SWAMPING that one's BT receiver, causing
> packet crashes in the busy local BT band its all swarming in.

About all I've ever done is a Motorola S705 and a BT GPS and when the
Bluetooth fails it takes both items down.


> To simplify BT stereo to the S9, instead of multiple pairing and
> unpairing it, a total nuisance you must do to prevent more than one BT
> device from trying to connect to it at a time, I use a Sony TMR-BT10
> Stereo BT transmitter (rechargeable-tiny) for all my stereo gadgets, bt
> or not. I simply plug the Sony's miniplug into whatever stereo source I
> want to hear in the S9. It works fantastic! The S9 A2DP is ONLY paired
> with the little Sony transmitter so repairing is unnecessary. I have
> many old MP3 players (Xclef 500 w/120GB drive, Archos Studio 20) and the
> Sony lets me use them with the S9, too. S9 is a fantastic stereo
> headset, NO MECHANICAL NOISES something that really pisses me off on some
> really expensive headsets.

I hear they quit making the Sony TMR-BT10. I bought one of those at Best
Buy when they still sold them and then put it away when I realized my Sansa
sucks for playing recorded movies. There is no easy way to jump to a
particular part of a movie like you can with a WM6 device. Plus with a WM6
device you can use the previous track and next track buttons on the BT
Stereo headset. You can even use those buttons to skip forward or backward
if you hold them down.

> Again, thanks for your help....(c;

No problem. It is interesting to see what other people are using Bluetooth
for and if they have had it just quit on them like I have.

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:gtidnWt4IO9SvrvVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@giganews.com :

> I have a Sony DR-BT22 that is both Wireless Stereo and Hands Free. If
> I split it, where I pair one device with the wireless Stereo and pair
> another device to the Hands Free it seems to work OK. It will
> automatically shut off the BT Stereo in favor of the BT Hands Free so
> it sounds a little like your Motorola S9.
>

I leave the S9 handsfree paired to the handsfree of the Z6m phone, but
leave the Stereo paired with the little Sony stereo transmitter. The S9
works great this way, even cutting off the stereo audio when you make or
take a phone call on the S9...or the phone itself. When the call ends, the
stereo reconnects itself just fine.

I hardly ever use the Z6m as a music player because its music app sucks and
cannot stop playing all my MP3 ringtones. You can't restrict it to JUST
the music directories, so it finds all the ringtones, alarms, and plays
them with the music files....really stupid app.

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:gtidnWt4IO9SvrvVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@giganews.com :

> If the Q has BT DUN I doubt if it has BT PAN also. While I have seen
one
> WM6 device with both it didn't come that way. :-)
>
> If a WM6 PPC/Phone has BT PAN it can show up when pairing without
running
> any extra software. The BT PAN just won't work until you run "Internet
> Sharing."
>
>

When I paired the phone with the Q it showed a pairing for DUN. But, the
Q, itself, has all the menus and controls for PAN settings. I assume
it's either PAN or DUN and we'll try your instructions to see if it will
do one or the other.

DUN on my phone, and I assume any DUN connection on Alltel EVDO acts
queer. I have an app on the tablet that extracts my IP on whatever
network connection I have to the net. It also shows me throughput and
total bytes passed in either direction. When DUN connects to the phone,
the app shows a PPP connection like DSL. This goes along with the PACKET
DATA and DORMANT tags on the main phone screen when DUN connected. If
you leave it dormant too long, the phone or Alltel dump the connection
and the next time you use data it does another reconnect and wait for the
new connection to be re-established with yet another IP displayed. Of
course, this nonsense trashes things like weather.gov webpages updating
data because the Flash thinks it's still connected to the OLD IP, and
that crashes. To overcome this autodisconnect, I have to leave the phone
"doing something" to keep alive the circuit. KSEY's Cowboy Music at
24Kbps makes a great keep alive stream that doesn't use much bandwidth
but keeps my IP all day if I like. (www.radioksey.com) To listen to
cowboy music, you need to call Seymour, TX, in Cowboy country!...(c;

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:gtidnWt4IO9SvrvVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@giganews.com :

> The USB DUN only does one at a time just like the BT DUN. BT DUN can
> be setup to run automatically and I like that part of it.
>
>
>> The phones need to be like the Nokia N8xx Linux tablets. The tablet
>> will simultaneously connect to DUN on the phone, the S9 handsfree, my
>> Nokia BT folding keyboard and Nokia BT GPS receiver...with no
>> conflicts as long as you keep the various BT devices separated from
>> each other by about 5" to keep this one's transmitter from SWAMPING
>> that one's BT receiver, causing packet crashes in the busy local BT
>> band its all swarming in.
>
> About all I've ever done is a Motorola S705 and a BT GPS and when the
> Bluetooth fails it takes both items down.
>
>

I guess it only supports one-at-a-time, then. Pity. BT has real potential
as a personal network interface if they'd quit trying to trash it on
sellphones.

"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in
news:gtidnWt4IO9SvrvVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@giganews.com :

> I hear they quit making the Sony TMR-BT10. I bought one of those at
> Best Buy when they still sold them and then put it away when I
> realized my Sansa sucks for playing recorded movies. There is no easy
> way to jump to a particular part of a movie like you can with a WM6
> device. Plus with a WM6 device you can use the previous track and
> next track buttons on the BT Stereo headset. You can even use those
> buttons to skip forward or backward if you hold them down.
>
>> Again, thanks for your help....(c;
>
> No problem. It is interesting to see what other people are using
> Bluetooth for and if they have had it just quit on them like I have.
>
>

Yes, the Sony BT stereo devices seem all to be discontinued, but Best Buy
goes on trying to get retail for their backstock in them.

Movies, here, are downloaded from alt.binaries.movies.divx and played on
the 28" Gateway LCD and an old monster stereo system with 15" floor
speakers that STILL sound better than anything produced in the last 20
years. My rear channel speakers are bigger than today's "woofers", which
are quite a joke. I tell the stereo salesman, "Woofer, not that! You
can tell a good woofer because you need TWO people to move it!"...(c;

Portable movies used to come from a 250GB laptop USB drive and Gateway
wide screen laptop until I got addicted to this little tablet I only
bought because it had Skype and a web browser to logon to free hotspot
webpages with. But, alas, now I use a free JAVA app the hackers wrote
for the maemo tablets to resize the big DivX movies into less than half
the storage for the little 800 pixel wide N800 screen, then copy the
movies onto one of the two 16GB SDHC memory cards the tablet runs on.
32GB is quite a lot of movies and music for the whole trip or weekend on
the sailboats. mplayer, Linux's great little media player, has been
ported to the Maemo Linux 2008 on the tablet and plays the widescreen
movies beautifully, in stereo. Plug the Sony BT transmitter into the
tablet, crank up the S9, which can be REALLY loud, and it's like having
your own pocket movie theatre with 20 features to choose from. The
compression utility ends up with a full length feature DivX using about
380MB, about half what is downloaded from alt.binaries.movies.divx. On
the tablet screen, you can't see any difference between the two formats.
On the PC screen, it's large enough the 380MB loses some definition which
isn't acceptable. The JAVA also does 2-passes which makes it more
accurate. You might want to try making some movies with it for your
WM5/6 phone. Its ported to Windows, too, and you can download it free
from our maemo.org open source repository of software for the tablets:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/
Click Download and it will take you to the repository page so you can
pick which OS you're using, Win, OSX or Linux. The Win is a self-install
exe. When you run the app, don't be alarmed when Windows Command box
comes up. It's just running the JAVA runtime to run the JAVA app. The
JAVA app has a nice interface with many controls you can play with to
optimize the output files to look the best on your device with the
minimum of storage used up. The N770 box that's clicked by default crops
the picture to fit the oldest tablet and make the picture come out full
screen cropped like a Cinemascope movie on TV without letterboxing.
Sometimes that's good, sometimes not. You have lots of choices. Give it
a go. The price is excellent...(c;